cholo
12:35 Wed Dec 10
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ironsofcanada 12:33 Wed Dec 10
Yeh well, you would say that!
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Coffee
12:34 Wed Dec 10
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Jose+ 12:30 Wed Dec 10
Vote Infidel.
There'll be no poor under his administration.
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ironsofcanada
12:33 Wed Dec 10
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Spending a few years in political science, I learned very quickly that there are a bunch of spectrums on which to left or right. Nazis were far right on some and far left on others.
Usually those that try to pretend there is one left and one right are doing so for propaganda purposes.
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Jose+
12:30 Wed Dec 10
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The 'poor' are mostly poor because they are ill-educated and ill equipped to lift themselves out of their situation.
Whilst there is reasonable push back on the comment made here, the problem of whether the 'poor' know how to budget themselves, plan a weekly shop and a balanced diet, as well as prepare healthy meals is a real one.
I'm referring to the sub level of poor, the generational benefits system poor. Not this downtrodden middle class poor that all the rest of us are in but are too stubborn to refer to as the working class.....
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Monk~koknee
12:26 Wed Dec 10
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Likewise. Definition of 'left-wing' = anyone the right don't like or are opposed to.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:19 Wed Dec 10
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Definition of 'right-wing' = anyone the left don't like or are opposed to.
It's actually the accepted definition in academic debate. See D.Smith 'The Left and Right in Twentieth-Century Europe'
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Infidel
12:03 Wed Dec 10
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Monk
Hitler was absolutely socialist, he even described himself as a socialist and named his party unequivocally as socialist. He thought capitalism was a Jewish conspiracy.
The only difference between him and the Bolsheviks was that he thought it cleverer to force private corporations to work for the Nazi state rather than abolish them, but the effect was the same.
There was no difference for the ordinary citizen living under the Nazis or living under Stalin. They were the same.
Similarly the BNP, which is routinely called 'Far Right' by the media, wants to nationalise all British industry and close our borders to international trade. Sound like right wing policies to you?
Marine Le Pen in France wants to do likewise, yet she is also labelled 'Far Right', as is Golden Dawn in Greece.
It is a source of immense frustration for those of us on the right to see these particularly nasty manifestations of socialism labelled so lazily, and by implication bracketing them with us,despite the fact that we are so obviously at opposite ends of the political spectrum.
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Monk~koknee
11:48 Wed Dec 10
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In defining a 'better' country one has to ask 'better for who'?
Infidel's list is even contradictory both abolishing regulation and creating it at the same time. So if there is good regulation or bad regulation then this must be a judgement based on one's interests.
I would agree with the suggestion that the market economy is broken because trans-national corporations have become too powerful and stifle competition. But to remedy it needs regulation.
It is a nonsense to suggest that Right Wing and Authoritarianism are mutually exclusive. Hitler as a socialist is laughable.
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stewie griffin
11:40 Wed Dec 10
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"At first I was happy to be learning how to read. It seemed exciting and magical, but then I read this: Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand. I read every last word of this garbage, and because of this piece of crap, I am never reading again!"
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Coffee
11:37 Wed Dec 10
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Infidel
I strongly suspect this system of yours will be up to its eyes in debt within a very short time. Not to mention huge immediate rises in unemployment and morbidity.
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Infidel
11:36 Wed Dec 10
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Cholo
Atlas Shrugged is the most important book of the 20th century.
It sets out how the market economy is fragile and will be destroyed by corporatism - the lobbying of governments by big businesses to the detriment of smaller (entrepreneurial, innovative) players.
This has happened more or less exactly as Ayn Rand said it would. 'Too big to fail', bank bail outs, government subsidies for favoured companies, PFI contracts, HS2, Davos....the list is endless.
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Infidel
11:33 Wed Dec 10
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Comma
Education will be universal and free for everyone, including university education.
I would also like to see private schools phased out because they entrench privilege and are contrary to the principle of equality of opportunity.
As for the question about the military and other vital services, these are paid for out of taxation revenues,not taxation percentages. Lower tax RATES will result in higher tax REVENUES, something the Left just cannot get its head around.
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ironsofcanada
11:24 Wed Dec 10
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 10:24 Wed Dec 10
Was being a bit facetious.
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cholo
11:17 Wed Dec 10
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Infidel
A man who appears to have swallowed Atlas Shrugged whole and follows it more blindly and less critically than a Christian does the bible. Even though his hero Ayn Rand ended up on welfare herself .
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Coffee
11:16 Wed Dec 10
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Infidel 11:03 Wed Dec 10
Fucking hell!
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,
11:11 Wed Dec 10
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Infidel, you need to go on a lot more. Just a few come to mind.
What happens about education?
What happens about th military?
What happens about making our form of government more accountable?
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Nurse Ratched
11:06 Wed Dec 10
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-pull out of the EU
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Infidel
11:03 Wed Dec 10
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Coffee
Some immediate policy changes to make a better country:
- a flat rate of income tax of 25%, applicable to all incomes at any level, with no thresholds.
- abolish corporation tax completely
- cut regulation / red tape
- introduce punitive taxation on unearned income, including inheritances and gains on disposal of housing
- maximum 1 year allowed on state benefits
- abolition of all child benefits and other welfare payments to parents
- abolition of behind closed doors lobbying by requiring all contact between a corporation and any public official a criminal offence unless it is filmed and broadcast on YouTube for the public to see
- introduction of 'pay as you go' in the NHS which will solve the funding crisis and reduce demand
- switch the public sector to self funded pensions with no taxpayer support
- remove all barriers to the extraction of shale gas
- remove all subsidies for renewable energy
- repeal the Climate Change Act
Need I go on?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
10:34 Wed Dec 10
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Infidel 9:47 Wed Dec 10
The left now hates the western European working man for his repeated refusal/failure to bring about an ideologically sound socialist state.
Hence the left have contempt for him and encourage his persecution by feminists who wish to undermine his masculinity and eliminate his role in society and by 'anti-racists' who seek to undermine him economically with immigration and ideologically by rendering patriotism as race-hatred.
Education is now entirely the preserve of the left - so a target of 50% is set for university entrants and a requirement of a degree for most white collar and state sector jobs, meaning the brightest and richest kids are sent off for a further 3/4 years socialist indoctrination while the remainder of the working class can be conveniently consigned to the scrap heap - benefits junkies and Labour vote fodder.
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Coffee
10:24 Wed Dec 10
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Infidel
Strictly speaking, Saudi Arabia is a theocratic monarchy. A pretty vile one, at that.
But rather than engaging in a left-right political discussion, what would your ideal country look like? You say that especially the poor would become richer -- does that mean that there will ultimately be no more poverty? That seems to be the key assumption in your thinking, because that would negate any need for government to spend on schools and hospitals and other things beyond the poor's financial reach. You'd have to be pretty sure of your policies for that to happen. Or do you mean that the existing middle class will slip into poverty? In which case...
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
10:24 Wed Dec 10
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ironsofcanada 9:24 Wed Dec 10
Why on earth would any increase in taxes on food be 'hugely popular'?
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